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now before we tumble off of the fiscal cliff. will john boehner get out of the way and let us avoid another fiscal crisis? hey, good morning, everybody. what do you say? here we go. on a great big monday monday december 3rd, good to see you today. hope you had a good weekend and watched some good football got maybe some holiday shopping christmas shopping. a lot of people around here in the eastern market neighborhood of capitol hill buying their christmas trees. i saw them all day saturday all day sunday loading x-rays trees on top of the cars going home, carrying them home to deck raid the x-rays -- decorate the christmas trees. lots to talk about this morning here around the country, around the globe, around here in washington, d.c. we will bring you up to date on the latest to let you know what's going on, but most importantly, give you a chance to sound off. >> that's what it's all about. you can give us a call at 866-55-press. you can twit -- join us on twitter or tweet us @bpshow and follow us on facebook.com. and you can join the chat room a
. but a few days ago john boehner said something very, very telling. he told politico, quote, which is a place for everything. hold everything. there is a price for everything. that, ladies and gentlemen is transactional politics at its finest. what will you give me to get what you want? so, today president obama dispatched his top economic advisor, his deputy to find out exactly what that price is. and that's treasury secretary timothy geithner net with the top four congressional leaders pelosi, ma con el, mcconnell and reid and he brought a specific plan from the white house with him. that plan from the president in trying to resolve the fiscal cliff asks for, $1.6 trillion in new revenue. and that's supposed to come from raising taxes on the wealthiest. the president's plan asks for an extension of the payroll tax cut. and an extension of unemployment insurance benefits. it asks for a deferral of those automatic sequester cuts to defense spending and to local -- to domestic spend being. and it also asks, i love this o
reid, now he is meeting with house speaker john boehner, that meeting just getting underway, after that meeting with senate republican leader mitch mcconnell and house democratic leader nancy pelosi and with the president and republicans on raising taxes republicans are trying to shift the focus to spending cuts and entitlement reform. >> i hope when tim geithner comes to capitol hill that he will put forward something concrete. so far all we got out of the administration are these demands for higher taxes, they're willing to discuss what is driving federal spending and debt and that is in title and programs. peter: we learned president obama and john boehner spoke for 15 minutes last night. i just bumped into a senior leader among senate democrats and asked him how he felt about this news and he said -- he was more optimistic about these negotiations today. he thought perhaps this man the speaker and the president were exchanging proposals on avoiding the fiscal cliff, john boehner has a press conference at 11:30 after his meeting with tim geithner. connell: we will speak with --
john boehner because this is all about the president and john boehner's relationship. john boehner now, when he walks back to hc-5 and he has that meeting with a republican caucus that he's having to drag to the table to bring -- generate new revenue. he now goes back, and boehner faces a very angry caucus. tom cole came out and said, hey, let's go ahead and raise taxes. that was remarkable. eric cantor on this show said, we have to raise additional revenue. republicans have stepped forward and said that. if i were a sitting member of congress right now, a guy on this show who has said for years we have to make a deal, my response to john boehner would be very simple. just stop talking to him. don't talk to them until they make a serious offer. just don't. because this is, after all, a party that's been running the u.s. senate for years, and they've never produced a budget. if they want to offer us something serious, great. if not, well, we'll just sit back and wait. really, i've got to say, i'm really stunned by what happened yesterday, mark. tell us why it happened the way it did. >>
let's talk about the fiscal cliff. to use the words of john boehner, i'm flabbergasted. >> nowhere period. we're nowhere. i'm flabbergasted. he can't be serious. i'm serious about our debt. >> cenk: i can't wait to get serious on john bainer when we come back. and later in the program the elbow of the day who 12 on? guess at @tytoncurrent. this corruption based on corruption based on corruption. >>i think that's an understatement, eliot. u>> i'm not prone tot. understatement, so explain to me why that is. i think the mob learned from wall st., not vice versa. [ male announcer ] lifts to clear obstacles. ♪ ♪ lowers to cut drag. rises to every challenge. the class exclusive air suspension in the new 2013 ram 1500. engineered to move heaven and earth. guts. glory. ram. (vo) now, it's your turn. (vo) connect with the young turks with cenk uygur. >> it's go time. >> cenk: some had hopes that in a second term president obama would be more progressive because he wouldn't have to face re-election. i thought that was very unlikely. color me surprised. because it turns out pre
around today. right around 11:30 a.m., speaker john maye -- john boehner spoke. the buyers poured in, the short time later chuck schumer came in. now we are trading near the highs of the day. the dow jones dust they stop 77 points, 45 to the upside. all 10 s. and p. sectors are jumping with technologies leading the way. research in motion a big winner. can you believe the stock is near $12 per share. rim was at $6 per share, but positive comments out of goldman sachs fueling the game. apple in the green continuing the postelection resurgence. apple was in bear market correction level just a few weeks ago, but right now jumping about 1%. disappointing november sales numbers. costs dropping 6%, tiffany got a markdown, earnings missed street estimates. and then there is aeropostale coming in way below forecasts. what is a trader to do beside watching a nuisance headlines coming out of washington? traders at the new york stock exchange, what a day today. some better games at the moment but again a perfect example of how washington is holding the market. >> you talk about how sensitive th
. >> to that point here's john boehner talking about when he saw that opening offer. >> i was flabbergasted. i looked at him and said you can't be serious. i just never seen anything like it. you know, we got seven weeks between election day and the end the year. and three of those weeks have been wasted with this nonsense. >> okay. >> it's clear he's not pleased from his ha. is the president in danger of going too far? >> no. i think that everyone is amazed that president obama is pursuing an absolutely normal approach to negotiation. people over the last two years got so accustomed to his strategy of almost preemptive concession, you know, you don't like this, i'll give you more. i'll give you more. what obama did is say look here's what i want. this will solve the problem in my view and by the way we still don't have a recovery that's going quickly enough, we still need to goose the economy some. and the republicans are flabbergasted that he's not already making concessions and all he's asking for is okay guys, you say we don't have to raise the top rate, show me how you're going to do it with all
you for joining us. >> eliot: will john boehner and mitch mcconnell actually leave this time? coming up next. ice breakers mints. break the ice. question: why are ice breakers mints called mints? answer in a moment. fruit just got cooler. fruit on one side, cool on the other. ice breakers duo. a fruity, cool way to break the ice. brought to you by ice breakers mints. break the ice. [ singing christmas carols in background ] aunt sally's singing again. it's a tradition honey. [ singing christmas carols ] mmmm. [ female announcer ] make new traditions with pillsbury grands! cinnamon rolls. [ female announcer ] what would you call an ordinary breakfast pastry that's been wrapped in a flaky crust stuffed with a gooey center toasted up all golden brown then given a delicious design? a toaster strudel. pillsbury toaster strudel. so delicious...so fun. >> eliot: one of the reasons cited by senate republicans to ratify an u.n. treaty providing protection to people with disabilities they didn't believe big decisions should be made by a lame duck congress, re
. >> eliot: will john boehner and mitch mcconnell actually leave jennifer >>>> i want the people who watch our show to be able to come away armed with facts and the arguments to feel confident in their positions. i want them to have the data and i want them to have the passion. >> eliot: one of the reasons cited by senate republicans to ratify an u.n. treaty providing protection to people with disabilities they didn't believe big decisions should be made by a lame duck congress, really? these are the same folks who were supposed to be in serious negotiations about the impending fiscal cliff. even mitch mcconnell should acknowledge the hypocrisy in that one. over the fiscal cliff negotiations one thing has become crystal clear. the schisms are becoming more and more pronounce. there are three distinct groups, theological warriors who want to impose their views on the country. tee party zealots and remnant of the pro business moderates while their fiscal views are the last reasonable voice in the republican party. it's this last group who are willing to compromise and combine their ideologi
speaker john boehner dealing with division in the gop's ranks to his budget plan. we've got a shanghai surprise. china's mainland markets up over nearly 3% after beijing's new leaders called for economic stability and new business growth. and it looks like more austerity for britain. george osborne getting ready to release his autumn statement. >>> nokia shares a little bit high today. they are teaming up with china mobile, giving access to the world's biggest mobile phone markets. >>> if you just got up, very warm welcome to the start of your global trading day. stocks are on the front foot this morning. this is where we stand with u.s. futures. currently called up around about 30 points higher. the dow down, what, 13 points? the nasdaq called up just under 40 points. the s&p 500 at the moment is called up just over three points. it was down two points yesterday. european stocks doing a little built better. they were as flat as a pancake, as i've been saying. as flat as my pancakes. we have just come down from higher levels. the ibex up .2 of a percent. overnight we saw china leadersh
, john boehner started the talks after a standoff that lasted almost a week. then there was the surprise that rocked the capital today. south carolina conservative, jim demint, a hero to many, is retiring next month. nbc's david gregory, the moderator of "meet the press," has more on the surprise announcement. >> reporter: about four years early, a lot of people thought it would happen by 2017, but not at this point. in his term, demint was somebody who turbo-charged the tea party movement. he told me he would like to see the party really adopt more of these tea party ideas. that really didn't happen. there were more internal fights. he did have success in fielding candidates and also failed. he said they didn't do enough to establish what the party was for. he is going to try to be a force behind the party. >> and one more, senator coburn, from texas, somebody the president has a good relationship with opened the door toward raising taxes on the wealthy. is this the start of something? >> reporter: yes, i think a lot of things are misplaced. i talked to a lot of people. more and more co
. john boehner gained strong backing of the house gop. they actually say that the speaker's more powerful today than he has been since he became speaker two years ago. >> well, that's exactly the opposite of what we were discussing on the set yesterday with matt lewis. >> yeah. i guess one question is, is that story there for a purpose, which is to make him appear stronger, and also, is he strong in relation to the offer that's on the table, which is an offer that does not reflect compromise yet? >> well, he is strong, i think, as long as he's not seen as bowing down and caving in to the president. i will tell you, there are conservatives dair a s -- erick who is trying to get him removed as speaker, saying they only need 16 votes to drive john boehner out of time. >> that's kind of my point. >> a situation described as very fluid. >> how many degrees of freedom does he have from where he is now and who's holding the pen when they sign those letters? >> yeah, i don't think he's got a lot of freedom. harold, what do you think? >> i hope he stays strong for the simple reason that if and whe
from john boehner, i am flabbergasted by the budget which they put forward, which is basically paul ryan's budget right? >> more or less. i mean it's basically a repeat. they come up with revenues but they won't touch tax rates, and they don't really say how they get the revenues. they would get it from what they call loopholes, deductions. they don't specify where it would come from, so really it's a combination of the ryan budget, and what romney -- governor romney began to say toward the end of the election when he was worried a they were being tabbed as the party of the very wealthy, so he said well, we won't lower taxes on the very wealthy, because we'll get ahold of loop holds and deductions but they never said what they were and they continue to evade. but mainly they evade the basic question, are we going to keep the high income tax breaks or are we not? and if they insist on keeping them, they are going to take themselves and the country over the cliff. >> stephanie: uh-huh. this is -- we have been saying -- i don't think this is fooling anybody. th
. at least for today. progress getting a fever pitch as john boehner says white house needs to get serious. senate majority leader harry reid says he is waiting for a serious offer from republicans. so there you can see the stock market slightly higher, reacting to every last word coming out of capitol hill. now the dow was higher, but off of the best levels of the session as we make progress. melissa arizona is the latest state to refuse the exchange. we will bring on judge andrew napolitano to talk about this one. lori: "time" magazine announcing it candidate for person of the year. wait until you hear who the candidates are. we will handicap the list with lou dobbs. melissa stocks as we do every 15 minutes. nicole petallides standing by. stocks are losing sseam as house speaker john boehner took the podium although they have recovered a bit. nicole: is difficult to monitor which way and guess which way the market will go as each headline process crosses, we'reg the market being started around the unchanged line. and then you have people saying how the white house has had a change of tun
and house speaker john boehner where talks to end the fiscal showdown ends. the president for his park took his place for the public and called for america and little cuts to entitlement spending something the speaker says must be part of any final deal. wall street journal columnist and dan henninger, and mary an anna-- anastasia o'grady and kim strassel. you've been talking it it sources and is the mood as hour as it sounds. >> it is by the end of this week and here is why, the republicans came out right after the election and said to the president, you want revenue here. you want revenue on the wealthy, we'll give it to you, limiting tax deductions for the wealthy. the president instead of taking that and running with tceiling a deal has been campaigning for tax hikes and to cap it off sent treasury secretary tim geithner to congress with this outrageous proposal as basically a compilation of everything that the president wanted in his budget and beyond what he even campaigned for. as a result i think most republicans wonder how serious he is about doing this. they feel things are going
between speaker john boehner and president obama today. with just 25 days to go, let's keep tabs on where we stand. reports of a conservative backlash against speaker boehner simply not true. he has the solid support of his leadership and the rank and file. but there is concern among some in the gop that they are at risk of becoming the party for rich people while president obama and democrats stake their claim on the middle class. and my tax rate flexibility with higher -- here's what the president said earlier today. >> i'm not going to sign any package that somehow prevent prevents the top rate from going up for folks at the top 2%. but i do remain optimistic that we can get something done that is good for families like this one and that is good for the american economy. >> we look back republican senator rand paul from the state of kentucky. senator paul, welcome, as always. i want to ask you about the fiscal cliff, the state of play. there's revenues on the table. there's tax rate increases on the table. i don't know if there's spending on the table. what's your thinking prigt now? >
after the president was finished, house speaker john boehner held a press conference, and he left unanswered the president's call for decoupling that 98% from the richest 2%, and he gave a pessimistic assessment of the situation. let's listen to mr. boehner. >> there's a stalemate. let's not kid ourselves. when i come out the day after the election and make it clear that republicans will put revenue on the table, i took a great risk. and then the white house spent three weeks trying to develop a proposal, and they send one up here that calls for $1.6 trillion in new taxes, calls for a little -- not even $400 billion in cuts, and they want to have this extra spending that's actually greater than the amount they're willing to cut. i mean, it was not a serious proposal. and so right now we're almost nowhere. >> let me start with -- let me start with joy on this thing because you and i often agree. if we don't, we don't, and we'll live with that. but this whole thing here, i think boehner has never accepted the fact that the rates have to go up at the top. there's something about dedu
: i know but they are going to have to do that. also, john boehner -- this proposal has $160 billion less than he offered before the election and also raises the money taken out of medicare and medicaid by $62 billion. how democrats or anybody could except that -- could accept that. the average folks here in america do not want to pay their fair share. they cannot argue the point that everybody has to give a little bit more to help us eliminate some of this debt and keep the country going in a positive direction. host: did you see the reaction from harry reid? caller: [laughter] host: let me read a portion of that. that is what the democratic leader in the senate had to say about yesterday's counterproposal put out by house republicans. we noted in this letter sent to the white house from the speaker also includes the signatures of paul ryan as well as eric cantor and the rest of his leadership team seems to be on board. here is the chairman of the republican study committee's statement. so here are the opening offers in "the washington post." time." there is the side-by-side in the
to date. president obama, house speaker john boehner breaking the ice. >> that's good news, right? >> the two leaders discussing the fiscal cliff by telephone yesterday. no word of significant progress with just 26 days remaining to get a deal done. but there are signs of compromise. oak e oklahoma's republican senator breaking ranks, saying he's okay with raising taxes on the rich. >>> two seizures off the coast of the dominican republic last month, authorities recovering more than 50 bails of coke. it is weighing close to two tons. the drugs had a street value of $45 million. it will now be destroyed. >> are you losing your keys or misplacing your wallet. >> yes. >> there may be a quarter-sized blue tooth enabled button to communicate with a smart phone. >> sneakers, that's hysterical. >> the app will have a radar feature if they're getting warmer or colder. >> my blackberry charger. that's what i need it for. >> it just has to tell you where it is. >>> a sticky situation on a highway. in new hampshire, a tractor-trailer loaded with a cargo of maple syrup overturned on the inter
over. bill: reports that talks are stalled, dead in the water. house speaker john boehner says he's flabbergasted by the white house offer. >> this isn't about democrats and republicans. this business our country. we need to get serious about our deficit and debt that are burying our children's future. [ man ] ring ring... progresso this reduced sodium soup says it mahelp lower cholesterol, how does it work? you just he to eat it as part of your heart healthy diet. step 1. eat the soup. all those veggies and beans, that's what may help lower your cholesterol and -- well that's easy [ male announcer ] progresso. you gotta taste this soup. martha: we have brand-new details on the deadly bus crash that happened in florida. police say the bus driver was confused and lost when he chose the wrong route coming out of miami airport. the top of the bus crumpled after the crash and killed two passengers. it had 32 jehovah's church members on board, they were heading to a conference. bill: if you wash watching "fox news sunday" john boehner described his reaction when the president presented
barack obama get the nancy pelosis of his party? how does john boehner get the joe scarboroughs of his party to move from these positions that they have held for 20 years? to make a deal? this is a brave new world. i mean, it's hard for me to actually envision, as we get closer to it, that there are actually going to be republicans in the house of representatives that are going to have to run for re-election, saying something they haven't had to say for a generation. i voted to raise taxes, and here's why. how do they do it? >> i don't know how they do it, to be quite honest. i'll tell you what the nub of the problem is, and it goes to what we talked about a little bit earlier. you have the president saying, i want tax rates to go up now on the promise that a future congress is going to cut the spending that you want done 20 years from now. and that's just a bargain that's hard for a lot of fiscal conservatives to swallow because that has been, as you know, joe, going back to certainly your time in congress, the deal that's always been bargained that's never been fulfilled. and so i do
. that's what house speaker john boehner told fellow republicans during a weekly meeting, signaling he will push back on president obama's demand for tax hikes on the rich when it comes to the fiscal cliff. but treasury secretary timothy geithner says the white house will not give in. >> no prospect to an agreement that doesn't involve those rates going up on the top 2% of the wealthiest americans. remember it's only 2%. >> geithner adds the obama administration is, quote, absolutely prepared to go off the cliff, if necessary. joining me now is van jones, cnn contributor and former obama administration official. good morning. >> god morning to you. >> so, van, i guess my first question that's eatsy for geithner to say, we're perfectly willing to go off the fiscal cliff. that means a tax hike on middle class americans and maybe some of them are thinking this morning i'm not really so happy geithner said that. >> it might have been inartful for him to say it the way he said it. i think he is making a very important point, which is that the american people did vote. they voted for the one
speaker john boehner did speak by phone yesterday. that was the first time in a week. no one is saying what the conversation was about. shortly after that call treasury secretary tim geithner went on cnbc and said the white house is ready to go off the cliff. >> if republicans do not agree to that, is the administration prepared to go over the fiscal cliff in. >> absolutely. there's no prospect to an agreement that doesn't involve those rates going up on the top 2% of the wealthiest. it's only 2%. >> i want to bring in "usa today" bureau chief and welcome to both of you. where are we in these negotiations, susan? >> i think the most encouraging thing was they agreed to the to characterize the phone call. the last time around the characterization of the phone call became a controversy in itself. i think it's pretty clear that the white house and republicans think the white house hand on this is strengthening. we see the polls that you mention, pew polls this week say americans trust the president more, assume if a deal is not reached -- trust the white house more, think if a deal isn't
but not a lot. >> reporter: that's right. the speaker of the house john boehner made a point today to say there is not much time between election day and the end of the year. he thinks the white house has already wasted weeks because he does not think the proposal to avoid a fiscal cliff is serious one. negotiations here are nowhere. another republican, senator lindsey graham thinks he thinks things are heading down hill. >> i think we are going over the cliff. it's clear to me they made a political calculation. the offer doesn't deal with the entitlement reform to save the medicare and medicaid and social security from imminent bankruptcy. it raises $1.6 trillion on job creators to destroy the economy. no spending controls. >> reporter: treasuresy secretary tim geithner advocated for clinton era tax rates and wants top earns to pay 39.6%. he said when that was the rate in the '90s there was was good economic growth and strong private investment. said republicans would rather raise revenue closing the loophole and limiting deduction need the time to realize that might not bring in enough
revenue by reviewing the current tax deduke system. house speaker john boehner has urged the president to compromise. >> our members believe strongly that raising tax rates will hurt the economy. now we need a response from the white house. >> unless the two sides reach an agreement by the end of this year, the automatic tax increases and spending cuts will take effect in the new year. >>> time to get a check on the markets now. the nikkei here in tokyo rose above the key 9,500 level as concerns about the u.s. economy eased. the nikkei index right now trading at 9521, a gain of over .5% from wednesday's close. traders said positive remarks about a fiscal cliff deal by president obama are aiding share prices. i guess port-related issues are leading the gains as the weakening trend of the yen is continuing. so let's take a look at the currency markets. the dollar is higher against the yen. that's on better than expected nonmanufacturing data out of the u.s. 82.40-43. euro/yen, that's in the mid 107 yen levels this thursday morning. taking a look at other markets in the asia-pacific, sout
and applause] >> and in keeping with tradition, the speaker of the house, the honorable john boehner, will extend his holiday greetings to you and officially light this remarkable tree in a few moments. but before we get to that big moment, i'd like to welcome members of congress and distinguished guests, our capitol hill neighbors and those of you who are visiting our nation's capital. thank you for joining us this evening. i would like to acknowledge members of the colorado delegation in attendance this evening including senator mark udall, senator michael bennet, congressman scott tipton as well as former senator ben knight horse campbell. [cheers and applause] >> and senator campbell, of course, drove that tree 5,500 miles to washington dis-- d.c. [cheers and applause] >> now this incredibly beautiful tree has been deck indicated with ornaments crafted by colorado residents which reflect the theme celebrating our great outdoors. and speaking of ownerments, the u.s. capitol historical society produces a beautiful one to place upon this tree. and at this time, i would like to welco
to negotiate with somebody that you like. >> i think the president should play more golf with john boehner. he never played one game with him, if that. let's turn to more cherry matters. the rfk center, raising money to help people around the world. tell me about it. >> first of all, i'm bidding on you. >> i'm one of the prizes. >> you are a prize. >> you can go to www.charitybuzz.com search piers. and the current bid is $70 million, to bring four people to that studio for the cnn experience. >> you have competition against a lot of people. anderson cooper is up there, too. >> is he beating me? i will not be happy if he beats me. if you are watching, get on the website and bid higher. i'll give you a cup of tea, whatever you like. and there's a meet and photo with president bill clinton. a signed guitar from taylor swift. >> and how about this, fly fishing with paul volcker. if you can do that, you can buy the other auction items. >> charitybuzz.com. i've got to beat anderson cooper. finally, let's come to the car accident you had. >> yes. >> a strange case, where you had taken an ambien sleep
: that was the president talking about whether or not he has sat down with house speaker john boehner, saying you don't need to sit in a room to get it done. mitch mcconnell in the papers this morning reportedly saying there are no formal talks haven't. those talks continue behind-the- scenes. the washington post this morning reports in a news conference last month obama suggested he might let the top rate rise to levels somewhat lower than a 39.6%. that's the washington post this morning. below that, governors say the fiscal cliff would hurt their states' economies. several governors met at the white house yesterday and with political leaders to say something needs to be done or their economies and on the state level will be heard. -- be hurt. let's go to walter in new jersey, independent caller. good morning. caller: good morning. i don't know what's wrong with these people, because they have to come to some kind of agreement. the gop has to give ground, taxes wouldybody's go up just to save 2%. it just does not cut it. it is a bad move politically and bad for the country. host: polloi in johnsonvi
will -- [laughter] stuart: but the big story this hour is john boehner's counteroffer to the president, immediately dismissed by the way. it includes 800 billion dollars in tax revenue, not from higher tax rates. that is the sticking point. president obama wants those tax rates raised. john boehner, he wants fewer deductions, limits on deductions. that's the status quo right now of the discussion there. i want to bring you to the big board because we're going nowhere this tuesday morning on very low volume. back below 13,000. tuesday morning, here's the company: elizabeth macdonald is with us. david asman is with us. and nicole petallides right there on the floor of the new york stock exchange. china, cracking down on money transfers at wynn macau casinos. i guess that wynn stock is going to be down? nicole: you are right. we're seeing the stock down nearly 4% here. this is not good news for them overall. basically china's new leadership cracking down on fast money moving. they are going to set rules where you can't -- restrict the limits on how much money can actually be taken out of the country.
then? it was interesting this weekend to hear, for example, john boehner on with chris l wallace on fox news saying we're nowhere. shouldn't they counter with the president even if they think it's a ridiculous offer? >> if i'm advising the republicans, which i'm not, i'd over a republican plan that's progrowth, pro job creation, get rid of grover, and say this is what we're for, mr. president. here's the plan. i would say let's bargain in good faith. >> the sunday talk shows, geithner saying republicans need to deal with it, and others it's a stalemate. do you think that's for show though? it seems like the deals in washington, at this time of the year happen at the 11th hour, last three years especially for taxes. >> could have been for taxes, but,,and the but is very important, if there's a frame work december 31st at midnight, it will be just that. the markets will, i think, react predictly, and that's not positive. if there's a recession because there's not a tax plan, we'll be hurt. >> that's the wild card; right? how the markets reagent to it because we don't know. >> we don't. >>
from house speaker john boehner and democratic leader house democratic leader nancy pelosi. more dueling press conferences as this fight continues. dennis: more fiddling while the cliff looms. peter barnes. cheryl: for get kicking the can down the road. our next guest says the tables could be said for lawmakers to put off making the real decision on a clip for another four years. david dietz, chief investment officer, is here. you think this is a real possibility. everything stays as is because they don't cut a deal. >> for two reasons. basically austerity arguments are going to give way to pro-growth. we are in a weak economy, unemployment is close to 8%. if they raise taxes at all, it is counter to getting this economy back on track, totally inconsistent with ben bernanke anddthe federal reserve, it doesn't work. cheryl: you say ben bernanke is the only adult in the room. look at the polling of congress it makes sense. they are acting like children according to recent polls. >> ben bernanke pull those out of the worst downturn since 1930 and raised the spigot so money is flowin
-- negotiating paper, to put this in perspective what the government -- what the president sent to john boehner was more than he was asking for with debt negotiations. when the configuration in washington was to lead the same, what the senate was able to pass even when it had a filibuster, far in excess of what he campaigned on himself, something out of law land, where three weeks from the fiscal cliff, this is a serious -- almost a way to guarantee you put a stall on these negotiations or set them back ritter and understand what he is playing at. stuart: this is supposed to be just the first initial negotiating position. >> we don't have time. stuart: i had a democratic strategist earlier on the show who said don't worry about this. this is not a final result. this is not what they are trying for. just an opening gambit. what do you make of that? >> we have three weeks ago and they have wasted three weeks. john boehner offered a compromise and said you can have revenue. you asked for revenue, you asked it to come from the wealthy and we're giving it to you. let's talk about the form of what yo
. appreciate it. the battle over the fiscal cliff, certainly heating up. house speaker john boehner says the two sides are at a stalemate. no big surprise. while president obama says the only thing holding up the deal is quote a handful of republicans. here we go again. peter barnes in washington with the latest on the stalemate. peter? >> that's right, ash. speaker boehner said a stalemate, quote, let's not kid ourselves for punctuation. he and the president were both out in front of cameras today to try to convince voters that both of them are ready to keep talking. >> i'm willing to move forward in good faith. our original framework still stand. instead of raising tax rates we can produce similar amount of revenue, reforming the tax code to close loopholes and lower tax rates. >> this is not some run-of-the-mill debate. this isn't about which political party can come out on top in negotiations. and all of us will have to get out of our comfort zones to make that happen. i'm willing to do that. i'm hopeful that enough members of congress in both parties are willing to do that as well.
to have a grasp of the solution. so he is turning to john boehner to say why don't you do what we couldn't do or won't do? this is really amazing to watch this administration. presidents are supposed to lead, take the initiative, persuade others, create a national consensus. what does he do? he goes out to a toy, he goes out to a toy factory and wants another quarter trillion dollars in spending. i can't imagine why people are somewhat, well suspicious of our politicians given that. melissa: when you talk to people, they're so frustrated by what they see. they want to tune it out. turn back to their family in their own community. it is hard not to gauge. >> let's be real honest. that's what they have already done. that's why we're in this condition. we saw the president even lose 7 1/2 million votes from 2008 to this past november. we've got a lot of people retreating and becoming more insular instead of being engaged. melissa: yeah. >> republicans walking around whining about this president instead of doing something. the republicans were beaten because they doesn't do anything. they di
. speaker of the house john boehner said today that he is still waiting for a counterproposal now from the president of the united states. and we learned late this afternoon that in fact speaker boehner and president obama had a phone call today. we don't know, however, what was said in that call. but reports are that some progress is being made in these negotiations. at least conversations continuing behind the scenes between the top leaders, larry. >> all right. a phone call. that's pretty good progress. many thanks. so let's just ask a couple questions here. does president obama have the whip hand in all these negotiations, and are the republicans about to be blamed big-time for falling off their own fiscal cliff? joining me now is ace pollster scott rasmussen. i just did a little tv gig with scott, who's in about 60 cities across the country. all right, scott. you heard timothy geithner. he said if they don't raise taxes on the rich, they were going to go over the fiscal cliff. but at the end of the day, if we do fall over the fiscal cliff, if taxes go december 31st, will the repub
to the white house today, speaker of the house john boehner rejected the president's approach, writing that republicans cannot in good conscience agree to this approach which is neither balanced nor realistic. his counter-offer, save $2.2 trillion by among other things raising $800 billion in new revenues. the plan would also raise the future eligibility age for medicare and alter medicaid to save another $600 billion. the republican plan would not increase tax rates for the wealthy. the president is campaigning for his plan, taking questions on twitter today, and releasing this new web video. >> under my plan, first of all, 98% of folks who make less than $250,000, you wouldn't see your income taxes go up a single dime. all right? because you're the ones who need relief. >> ifill: treasury secretary timothy geithner met with congressional leaders last week and pressed the administration's case in a series of talk show appearances this weekend. >> rates are going to have to go up on the wealthiest americans. those rates are going to have to go up. >> there's no possibility that we're g
'm afraid the politics will make it harder. >> his problem is for john boehner. his own party is split. we're seeing splinter groups coming out, senators, governors, congressmen, saying -- >> from both sides. i'm prepared to go for more taxes. not exactly. this is what interests me and may prolong the negotiations. there's a lot of people in the republican party, and the democratic party, particularly in the senate, who said $250,000 is not really a rich man. maybe a rich man in lincoln, nebraska. but it's not a rich man in new york city or los angeles. and therefore, the rates, the tax rates, which they want to go from 35% to 39.6%, maybe you're going to have to raise the threshold to $500,000, $600,000. maybe you're not going all the way to 39.6%. maybe you go to 37%. >> this is negotiation, isn't it? >> yes. >> i had newt gingrich last night. he almost shut down the government as the speaker, with bill clinton. but the second term, they did get stuff done. both of them used to them me, they used to throw everybody out of the room, and get it done. what worries me about the boehner/obama
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